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I hate summertime worm issues. Astor is trying to die. 
18th-Jul-2011 11:41 am
Astor-goat is not doing well at all. He got dewormed last weekend (Sunday a week ago), and he and Constantine have been getting daily doses of Red Cell since then. Because of their basic small stature, I've had him and Constantine separated for a few days now, with all the hay and alfalfa pellets they can eat, plus uncontested grain (but not unlimited!).

This morning, he didn't want to get up. He only nosed his grain, though he did take a few bites of hay. He's so skinny I can see his hipbone shape through the mohair. But his poop is still solid, so there is still a slight bit of hope. So I grabbed 30 ccs of Goat Goop and another 10 ccs of Red Cell and called the vet. The vet said that I should re-deworm him with Dectomax and keep dosing him every 8-ish hours with the Goat Goop. (There aren't any magic injections that won't do more long-term harm than short-term good.) Unless I want to try a blood transfusion for him (from whom? Dahlia?), that's probably the best course of action.

If he's still alive when I get home this afternoon, then there is hope.

ETA: At 2:30 he is still alive and nosing through the hay that I put in front of his flop-in-the-shady stall-ness. He wasn't thrilled with the Goat Goop, etc. but is ok-ish. I also forced some water into him too. Hydration is important in hot weather...

ETA2: At 6:30 Astor is still alive. At some point before 6pm, he had gotten out of the stall and down the little ramp into the yard, where it looks like he took about five steps and collapsed. I know that it was before 6 because he was wet where the automatic llama sprinkler soaked him. He sucked a few swallows of water out of a cereal bowl for me, and ate a few nibbles of llama sweet feed. When I walked away, he was munching slowly on a mouthful of hay from the little handful I set in front of his flop. I'm not going to move him back into the barn until it starts raining or I go to bed.

ETA 3: CK helped me put Astor back to bed. We gooped him one more time, gave him a little water, and put hay and water under his nose. We locked Constantine in with him for company, and put out fresh water.
18th-Jul-2011 04:13 pm (UTC)
Best wishes to Astor and yourself.
18th-Jul-2011 05:04 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I'm heading home early (1 PM) to re-dose. I hope he's waiting for me.
18th-Jul-2011 05:12 pm (UTC)
Keeping you and him in my thoughts.
18th-Jul-2011 06:47 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
18th-Jul-2011 05:13 pm (UTC)
I am hoping for the best.
18th-Jul-2011 06:47 pm (UTC)
18th-Jul-2011 05:32 pm (UTC) - My 2c
I am sorry you have a poor one.
I am not familiar with Red Cell so I looked it up. Something that is does not contain is Thiamine. B1. Something that is very important to ruminants, and from what I can tell Red Cell is primarily for horses.
For stressed animals I always always give good doses of fortified B Complex. It is a very important vitamin for goats.
It is cheap, and it won't hurt. It helps stimulate appetite, and chewing helps them to also produce enough of their own thiamine.
It makes them feel better.

Good luck. I always brace myself for dead ones.
18th-Jul-2011 06:32 pm (UTC) - Re: My 2c
I'm headed out to the co-op for B-1 after my next conference call. I do love my work's flexibility when it has some.
18th-Jul-2011 06:48 pm (UTC) - Re: My 2c
And bracing myself is why the original post didn't go up until noon...
18th-Jul-2011 07:05 pm (UTC) - If there is life, there is hope
Just to be clear, I use the Fortified B Complex. However, you have already used a pretty strong nutritional supplement, so there's that, you can overdose some things..

Yep, thiamine. Good luck.
18th-Jul-2011 07:09 pm (UTC) - B vitamins and their importance to goat health
18th-Jul-2011 08:01 pm (UTC) - Re: B vitamins and their importance to goat health
Thanks! I appreciate the good reference!

Also, the co-op was completely out of B in all forms. I will have to call around. ::sigh::
18th-Jul-2011 06:01 pm (UTC)
I hope that Astor was there waiting for you.
18th-Jul-2011 06:31 pm (UTC)
Yes, he was. So far, still alive...
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18th-Jul-2011 06:45 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I just talked to Thunderbird, too. You are both the sweetest non-owning goat people! I really appreciate your very existence.
18th-Jul-2011 09:22 pm (UTC)
I hope everything works out, hon.
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